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    Default 860 - Electric Start or not.

    Gents

    was hefting the electric start last night and it got me thinking that I might not install it and just rely on the kick start. Is this common practice or a daft idea?

    If I do decide to leave it out, I guess I will have to modify the casing - or am I right in thinking that some of the 860's did not have an electric start and I could source a casing from one of these - or were they completely different?

    Steve

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    If it was mine I'd leave the electric start off. The bendix gear is an abomination that's guaranteed to fill the engine with swarf.
    You are right about the casings. To do the job right you'd need the case off an 860GT which didn't have an electric start. I'd recommend you get some shin protectors if you're going to be kickstarting it though. The RH footrest is exactly where your leg wants to be at the bottom of the kickstart stroke

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    Hi Steve,
    I was in two minds whether to put the starter back on with my refurb. The engine looks much better without the starter, a significant weight loss as it weighs a ton, and you can use a much smaller and lighter battery. I decided in the end to go as original as possible so I'm planning on keeping it.
    What you need to be aware of is that the clutch cover for non E/S bevels are in high demand and cost a fortune. It may cost you 300 for a replacement clutch cover from one of the usual sources. I know 'cos I sold one to Paddy!
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    I have a spare case that has a alloy cap instead of the starter motor and gears

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    If it has the alloy cap at front it is for the later engines using the Darmah bottom end.


    I'm not sure if it will fit the earlier engine. Someone on here will know.

    The early one looks like this


    Both are available from Mdina Italia or you can pay through the nose for this one

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    Hi Derekssss

    its no one of those its the electric start case with a alloy cap screwed were the starter goes at the rear

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    Hi Steve,

    If I where you I would leave Off, I removed mine from my GTS/NCr type cafe and made a nice St Steel cover for engine case, she is away at moment having just been rebuilt and awaiting mot otherwise I would post photo, anyhow before rebuild it was an easy starter and looked so much better.
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    Thanks for all the replies, and sorry for not replying sooner.

    I will leave it out, and have just managed to pick up a casing cover (not the one off ebay). Oddly enough the bike had electric start and a blanked off kickstart casing - so now have to find kickstart shaft and all the gears. Almost there.

    Steve

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    Hi Steve,
    I might have a kickstart mech amongst my bits if you're stuck. Most of my engine bits are over at my engine builder, but I think that's something I may have two of. In case Paddy doesn't have what you need....
    Just let me know if you want me to check it.
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    Hi Steve
    do you have the newer bottom end Darmah type !! 1977 SSD was the first non kickstart bottom end
    electric start only no cross shaft for the gear change and no old gear change shaft showing on the rhs above kick start blank - bosch ign etc

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    The bike did have a kick start at one point and it was blanked off with a home made alloy plug.

    A friend in Glasgow has a shaft but I do need all the gubbings to go on the shaft if you have these Derek.

    I must say that I have never been on a bike forum before and I have found this to be of enormous help.

    Steve

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    Amazing isn't it how a brilliant engineer like Taglioni had 2 goes at e/s on the bevels and made an arse of both...?

    The SSD only has e/s - so I tend to park mine on hills!

    And if you think the Italian twins e/s is ugly have a look for some some pics of Mototrans' later efforts on the bevel singles. Even uglier again!

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    Hi Steve,
    I have this kickstart complete mech. It's out of an 860GT but I think they are all the same. Send me a pm if you're interested.
    Derek


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    If the spline is good thats a sort after part Derek. Remember when fitting it you will need the plate that fits on to the crankcases that disengages the ratchet in the up position.
    steve, the cover was blanked off by ducati at the factory. You will need the bush that goes in the cover as its almost certainly not in there. You will also need a kick start and a good SS one will cost you 300.
    Last edited by ducatipaddy; 14.02.2014 at 08:26 PM.

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    Ah - I didn't have the plate. I think it must have gone with the crankcases I sold. I did send the plate / bolt which locates the spring. Sorry Steve that the other part was missing.

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    I have one Steve if you need it ?



    Part no.s 350/370 and 2 bolts
    When you assemble the crankcase together you need to half depress/turn the kickstart shaft to engage this plate . Same with separating the halves.
    Last edited by ducatipaddy; 15.02.2014 at 04:10 PM.

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