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    Default ST5/1200 Project

    I have been thinking about putting a 1200 Multistrada engine into an ST3/4 frame since last year and have talked to a few members about the pros and cons.It's not going to be an easy project but wanted to build the ultimate ST that Ducati never made.
    So I have bought an ST3 from Graeme Lintonjag last week and also bought a salvage 1198 from copart and will collect it next week.
    When I thought about the Multistrada engine will its electronics and ride by wire throttle that it would be more complicated but doable.
    The 1198 is conventional throttle cables and would be easier to convert so have decided to go that route.
    The engine should bolt into the ST3 as the engine mountings are the same and I will use the single sided swing arm from the 1198 so should keep the chain alignment ok and should be able to use the 1198 rear shock.
    The 1198 airbox is going to be a problem as it is a lot larger than the ST3,so may have to cut some frame cross tubes and reposition them.
    The exhaust could also present problems as I want to keep the ST3 luggage for touring
    so was thinking about a 1200 Multi strada system out the right hand side.
    Will get a better idea when I have all the bits in front of me.
    This project will not go as quick as my ST4S project and will be ready for 2017.
    Will keep you posted as things develop and am excited about this bike,cant imagine what it's going to be like.
    Have got a photo of salvage 1198 but not good quality.
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    Interesting...

    Check out "Bullet Bill" on Ducati.ms (UK Build)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iconic944ss View Post
    Interesting...

    Check out "Bullet Bill" on Ducati.ms (UK Build)
    Hi Frank had a look on Ducati.ms but couldn't,t find Bullet Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by 853RS View Post
    Will keep you posted as things develop and am excited about this bike,cant imagine what it's going to be like.
    Eeeerr f3ckin awesome by the sounds of it!

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    Hmmm, maybe I got my forums mixed up LoL.

    I hope you can see it without signing up here:

    http://www.desmocorse.net/showthread.php?t=6222


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    The 1198 is a good choice Alex and avoids the complications with the suspension and electronics that a Multi engine would cause. I look forward to seeing the end result

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    Thought I'd copy the Bullet Bill photos myself as its such an unusual build - guy is near Bolton apparently....

    "A few of you fellas have seen this on another site, but if you've not here you go.
    My owned from new 2002 ST4s.
    Modified as follows: 1098 motor, airbox, loom & clocks, radiator and oil cooler. Modded 1098 system to suit. 999 discs and calipers, 1098 master cylinders. S4r swingarm. Forged wheels (999r front, hypermotard s rear). LSL top yoke, renthal bars. Comfort fairing. Multistrada mirrors. Reworked suspension, springs and valves to suit me. Modified tank and frame to take the airbox. Original front indicators removed which now house the induction tubes. Renthal quick release rear sprocket, 40t, 15t renthal front. S4r restarts, also modded to take bearings. I don't think there one bit of the bike which hasn't been touched. I've probably missed loads of stuff off I've done as the bikes been like this for nearly 3 years now!"





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    Really looking forward to seeing this one as it progresses.

    I saw the 1198 on Copart last week. You such be able to recoup a great deal of your inital outlay selling on parts you don't need (Carbon wheels, akrapovic exhaust,etc.), assuming you're not going to use them of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by monster_998 View Post
    Really looking forward to seeing this one as it progresses.

    I saw the 1198 on Copart last week. You such be able to recoup a great deal of your inital outlay selling on parts you don't need (Carbon wheels, akrapovic exhaust,etc.), assuming you're not going to use them of course
    Hi Graeme it wasn't,t till I had a closer look at it that I noticed all the goodies on it.
    Bst carbon wheels,Akrapovic exhaust,slipper clutch,quick shifter,will decide what to do when I see it in the flesh.Some times hidden damage.

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    Nice project! I am paying attentiion .

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    Is it finished yet ?
    you can run............ but I'd rather be on my Monster

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeePee View Post
    Is it finished yet ?
    Should be finished next week Brian.

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    Went down to Copart in York through the week and collected my 1198.Had a good look round it yesterday and found the front wheel cracked but every thing else ok.Checked oil and water jump leads on and fired up.Sounds ok.Will get all the bodywork off over the week end and make some decisions about how to do this project.
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    Nice low mileage example

    Shame about the front wheel though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monster_998 View Post
    Nice low mileage example

    Shame about the front wheel though.
    Yes it's a pity about that but I think I have won a watch here.

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    sure looks an awesome build , the only thing that worries me is the deep sump motor, that looks like it could deck out two up with spirited riding ,may be an idea to beef up the suspension a bit to avoid that .

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    The deep sump motor isn't any nearer to the ground and is used in the S4RS which has a similar frame with no problems.

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    Swingarm might be a pain, 1198s have a frame member that comes down either side to act as outrigger supports whereas the STs don't (I seem to recall anyway??), they have bearing supports cast into the engine casings.

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    Fix that bad boy up and cash in Alex
    you can run............ but I'd rather be on my Monster

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    Quote Originally Posted by north996 View Post
    Swingarm might be a pain, 1198s have a frame member that comes down either side to act as outrigger supports whereas the STs don't (I seem to recall anyway??), they have bearing supports cast into the engine casings.
    Yes, the ST has needle rollers in the engine casing, the swinging arm is clamped to the spindle. The 1198 has 2 needle rollers in the drive side and 2 ball bearings in the RH side. The spindle is threaded through the frame, which provides added support, and is bolted up tight so that it doesn't rotate, so the swinging arm rotates around the spindle.
    It should be possible to modify the motor so the spindle is fixed but providing additional rigidity from the frame would be a lot harder. But would it need it in a sport touring application?

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